=== Very free translation ====
== traducao para o português dos itens 1 e 2 que a gabi mandou ==
== quem da lista que fala portugues que nao entende mensagens em inglês
(só para ter certeza que não é tempo perdido) ==

On terça-feira, 21 set, 2004, at 01:38 Brazil/East, Gabi Hadl wrote:

querido alfonso (e querida clemencia, liza e todos os outros da lista)

obrigado pela maravilhosa experiencia em PoA e um alow pra todos!
os negócios (em ordem de importancia)

1. enviando propostas para sediar o proximo ourmedia
quando é a data-limite? como as decisões serão tomadas pelo comitê
steering (nao sei essa palavra, mas da pra ter uma idéia, não?)?
concordo que o rascunho da clemencia com aquele monte de perguntas é um
pouco assustador, primeiromundista (há, gostei dessa!), mas é,
definitivamente, um ponto para começar. Obviamente, nem todas as
questoes deverao ser respondidas agora, mas é bom tê-las em mente (e
escritas).
Perguntas para Clemencia e Liza:
- quanto tempo e quantas pessoas são necessárias?
- seria razoável ter um time local e um transnacional com
responsabilidades bem definidas? Se sim, quantas pessoas
desprendendo-se de quanto tempo?
- quais são os maiores fatores em termos de grana?

2. Sediando o OURmedia na Ásia (FYI)
há um pequeno grupo de trabalho que se formou em portoalegre - estamos
checando as opções. Eu contactei o Myun-jung Kim no MediaACT na coréia
(espero a resposta dele)
identifiquei um potencial organizador local em taiwan. IAMCR
sinalizaram apoio em termos de infraestrutura e troca de infos (espaço,
hotéis, agentes de turismo, eventos culturais etc). Estou trabalhando
em uma proposta para taiwan. Não posso estar no time de organização mas
me disponho a identificar/confirmar um time que possa fazê-lo. também
iniciamos uma discussão sobre uma conferência menor na américa do sul
com uma videoconferência conectada ao evento principal. Luciana
Fleischman mencionou que gostaria de organizar isso por lá (aqui!) e
Juan Salzaar ofereceu suporte técnico.
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> Gabriele
>
> Ritsumeikan University, Kyoto
> Media Literacy Research Project
> http://www.mlpj.org
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> Adbusters/Buy Nothing Day Japan
> Www.bndjapan.org
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> On 9/20/04 21:28, "Rodriguez, Clemencia" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>
>> (Solo en inglés. Alguien podría por favor traducir? En caso
>> afirmativo favor
>> comunicarse con Clemencia Rodriguez en [log in to unmask])
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Dear Clemencia,
>>
>> Thanks you for reminding us that if we want Our Media to advance, or
>> at least
>> survive, we all need to participate and contribute.  You have been
>> the main
>> support of Our Media during all these years, getting the funds and
>> organising
>> the first three conferences, and many of us rely on your proactive
>> character
>> to get Our Media still walking. However, it is not the ideal
>> situation to have
>> all the responsibilities on your shoulders.  I guess we, the members
>> appointed
>> to the Steering Committee, will have to take action, hopefully in
>> coordination
>> with you.  But I also hope the larger network will participate.  Our
>> Media is
>> not only about attending a conference once a year, but about building
>> the
>> network between conferences. We are all very busy with our work, but
>> I don't
>> think somebody is busier than others to make an excuse of it.
>>
>> I had suggested to the other members of the Steering Committee not to
>> circulate the "long" version of the message (below), because I
>> believed it
>> could be intimidating for many people to commit with such detail. Few
>> individuals would dare to respond to so many questions. And no
>> potential host
>> institutions would be in the position of offering just like that so
>> much:
>> organising, appointing people, providing funds, etc.  The "short"
>> message I
>> suggested only asked about ideas, not commitment. After that
>> exchange, I lost
>> track if we got any responses, I fear we didn't and that we are back
>> in square
>> one, which prompts me to comment some of the questions and
>> suggestions below,
>> at least those that are mostly pertinent for the "core" group of Our
>> Media,
>> who have accompanied the process during five years.
>>
>> As I read again the detailed message below, I felt myself
>> intimidated. Too
>> many items, some of them we could clearly deal with later (potable
>> water,
>> medical precautions, vegetarian options, leisure, exchange rates,
>> personal
>> security, credit cards, internet connectivity, etc. What means, for
>> example,
>> "linguistic barriers for international travellers"?  If we do  a
>> conference in
>> New York, there is a linguistic barrier for "international
>> travellers" from
>> many parts of the world. The assumption seems to be: if they don't
>> speak
>> English, we are in trouble.  The whole list is drafted with very
>> North-centered eyes, looking at the Third World as an hostile place
>> to be.
>>
>> Let's get to the essential. What do we really need to hold a
>> conference?
>> Having travelled extensively I cannot think of any city, country, let
>> alone
>> any region in the world that doesn't have the facilities to hold a
>> conference
>> for 100 or 200 people and provide whatever is needed (hotel, meeting
>> rooms,
>> food, Internet, equipments, safe water, etc). Let's not deter
>> contributions
>> with too many questions.
>>
>> The only items that we should be concerned right now are:
>>
>> First: Who do we partner with in the country where the conference
>> will be
>> held?
>>
>> We obviously need a good partnership, like the one we had in
>> Barranquilla. A
>> university can be ideal for many reasons, and better if that
>> university can
>> team with an NGO or a large activist network in  the country. The
>> criteria on
>> partnership should, in my view, be the first consideration to choose
>> the
>> location for our conferences.
>>
>> Second: Who can we go after to get the necessary funding?
>>
>> For the previous meeting we had a main donor.  We may not have the
>> same donor
>> for the next meetings.  The ideal would be to have multiple donors,
>> that
>> provide for the various needs: mainly air tickets. For the rest,  I'm
>> sure
>> that if we can have a good partnership with a university in a
>> country, we can
>> also get in-kind or very cheap accommodation, meals, meeting rooms,
>> secretarial support, transportation, and other logistics.
>>
>> We may have to make the decision of holding Our Media 5 in 2006, and
>> every two
>> years after it.  Unless we think the period of grace will not really
>> help to
>> better provide for the organisation of each new conference.
>>
>> Doing it every year has forced us to couple with the two main
>> conferences:
>> IAMCR and ICA, two very academic fora. I think this is not very good
>> for a
>> network that is also made of activists. We've been with ICA once,
>> twice with
>> IAMCR and once with a completely different partnership in
>> Barranquilla,
>> Colombia, in my view a good experience in terms of including
>> academics and
>> activists, and by far the only example of true integration between
>> Our Media
>> and the host university and conference. We didn't have in Washington,
>> Barcelona or Porto Alegre the integration we had in Barranquilla.
>>
>> The argument that the big conferences (ICA, IAMCR) allow the
>> academics to also
>> attend Our Media is not, in my judgment, good reasoning. First,
>> because it
>> leaves the activists on their own, and second, because if academics
>> have a
>> true interest in Our Media, they could fight to get support from their
>> departments. How many conferences does a typical academic from the
>> North
>> attend every year? Why can't Our Media be on his/her list?
>>
>> I believe the only way to continue with the Our Media process is
>> doing team
>> work.  We already know the cost of the previous conferences.  No need
>> to ask
>> this to newcomers or potential partners. We know the breakdown of the
>> budget
>> and we can use that information to establish: we need 40,000 or
>> 60,000 US$ for
>> Our Media 5, and this is how we are breaking down the budget...
>>
>> We know by now that the main difference between a conservative budget
>> and an
>> ideal budget is determined by the number of people that will be
>> invited,
>> naturally people from Third World countries. Air tickets are
>> expensive and
>> also hotels, however, doing conferences in Third World countries
>> compensates
>> the high cost of air travel (from the other Third World regions) with
>> the low
>> cost of hotels, meals, translations, logistics, etc. However, if we
>> do it in
>> Asia, for example we will have more Asians, and if in Africa, more
>> Africans.
>> And if we do it in New York or London, we will have more people from
>> North
>> America and Europe.
>>
>> I certainly would favour a location in the Third World, Asia in
>> particular, as
>> I mentioned in Porto Alegre.  We need the network to grow with people
>> from
>> other regions, and if we continue doing the meeting on this side of
>> the world,
>> we are only strengthening a exclusive club.  Most of us may not be
>> able to go
>> to Asia from here, but at least we will know that other interesting
>> groups
>> from Asia or Africa are joining the network.  And academics should
>> have no
>> problem, since they've been attending conferences in Kuala Lumpur or
>> Taiwan or
>> China without a blink.
>>
>> We don't have many proposals on the table, maybe also because our
>> network is
>> still restricted to this part of the world. Maybe we should ask our
>> friend
>> Myoung Joon Kim, in South Korea, who unfortunately didn't attend this
>> last
>> conference, to send us his ideas on the possibility (or not) of
>> organising Our
>> Media 5 in Asia.
>>
>> In the meanwhile, we are left with John Downing's proposal.  He is
>> the only
>> one that came forward with something very concrete, although he is
>> not the
>> only one in an academic position that allows to offer options. I said
>> during
>> my intervention in Porto Alegre, that as much as I like John and I'm
>> a close
>> friend of him for almost three decades now, I thought it was not a
>> good idea
>> to marry Our Media with a US University and send a message that could
>> be
>> wrongly interpreted among activists and academics of the world.
>>
>> Same thing with the issue of an institutional alliance between Our
>> Media and a
>> university.  Very little response. Again, only JDs offer. I think we
>> do not
>> have any other concrete option and we cannot continue waiting for
>> miracles to
>> happen. We should take JD's generous offer if nothing else comes in
>> in the
>> next couple of months.
>>
>> - Can we start by accepting the partnership, for the next 12 months
>> and for
>> the organisation of Our Media 5, between JDs university and Our Media
>> network?
>> What steps can we take for this to happen?
>>
>> - Can we start, based on the experience of the four previous meetings,
>> drafting a realistic and very detailed budget breakdown?  If we all
>> know how
>> the funds were allocated in the previous meetings, it will be easier
>> for us to
>> contribute with new ideas about funding sources.
>>
>> - Can we immediately start looking for a university and/or activist
>> group in
>> Asia or Africa to team with  JDs  university on the grounds suggested
>> above
>> and hold the decision on the place and date of Our Media 5 until we
>> explore
>> other possibilities?
>>
>> Sorry for this long monologue,which I hope will lead to a true
>> conversation,
>> with participation of many Our Media colleagues. And sorry for
>> sending this
>> only in English, instead of Spanish and Portuguese, but I have no
>> time to
>> translate.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Alfonso
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: "Rodriguez, Clemencia" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: "Rodriguez, Clemencia" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 06:37:21 -0500
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Issues to discuss - Cuestiones a discutir
>>
>>
>> Portuguese y espannol abajo.
>> English:
>>
>> Introductory Questions:
>>
>> * Where would you like Our Media 5 to take place?
>> * When would you like Our Media 5 to take place
>> * In connection with what communication event?
>> Formal Request for Proposals for Our Media V
>>
>> In the spirit of giving everyone an opportunity to participate in
>> building the
>> Our Media network and in the hopes of having a smooth conference
>> experience,
>> we want to invite proposals from anyone who would like to host Our
>> Media V.
>>
>> We realize everyone has different abilities and resources.  This
>> request is
>> meant to give potential hosts an opportunity to share with us both the
>> considerations you have made in wanting to host and the resources you
>> can
>> bring to the conference.  The following framework for proposals is
>> meant to
>> stimulate a discussion about the pragmatic aspects of hosting.
>> Proposals
>> should try to be as specific as possible about what expertise, labor,
>> and
>> resources they can (1.) guarantee, (2.) ask for, or (3.) cannot give
>> in the
>> following categories.  From all of the proposals, we will be able to
>> perhaps
>> plan not only the next conference, but also possibilities for the
>> future.
>> Please be aware that no proposal will be excluded on the basis of any
>> one
>> factor; the more information you can provide now, the better for
>> future
>> planning.
>>
>> Categories to Be in Proposals:
>>
>> 1. Rationale: Why do you think you should host OMV?
>>
>> Considerations:
>>
>> Time and place of OMV
>>
>> Who would be the responsible person(s) for organizing the conference?
>>
>> How many people in this organization or site would be working on the
>> conference and how much time can be dedicated to the preparations
>> before the
>> conference (months)?
>>
>> Do you have or are part of an existing organization at the site that
>> is large
>> enough and willing to do the considerable footwork necessary to take
>> care of
>> the details and negotiations before, during and after the conference?
>>
>> How many other organizations (indigenous and community groups,
>> universities
>> and colleges, non-profit institutions) are willing to participate in
>> the
>> preparations and execution of the conference? What kind of
>> participation would
>> they have?
>>
>> What other events might be happening at or near the suggested time
>> and place
>> that would stimulate increased attendance and participation in OMV?
>>
>> 2. Funding: Please provide an estimated conference budget (you may
>> draw from
>> previous conference budgets)
>>
>> Considerations:
>>
>> How much money ($) can the host guarantee from an institution or
>> organization?
>>
>> What other sources will the host look to or apply to for funds?
>> Please give a
>> realistic estimate how much more will be needed and the funding
>> cycles.
>>
>> Please list any in-kind donations you expect to receive in terms of
>> labor or
>> resources.
>>
>> Given the above data and your estimated budget, how much would
>> participants
>> need to pay to register for the conference?
>>
>> Would you need other OM to raise funds to ensure the viability of the
>> conference? How much?
>>
>> 3. Programming: How will OMV create praxis between theory and the
>> practice of
>> alternative media?
>>
>> Considerations:
>>
>> What will be the lingua(s) franca(s) of the conference? Will you be
>> able to
>> provide any simultaneous translation and in what languages?
>>
>> Will you be able to offer any direct contact with the surrounding
>> community or
>> community organizations?
>>
>> Would you be able to provide a space for media creation on site and
>> what kinds
>> of technical resources (specifically: broadband access, wireless
>> internet,
>> several computers, ability to project video, sound system, cameras,
>> many
>> electric outlets, etc.) could you offer?
>>
>> What kind of role do you imagine for academic participants
>> (presentation of
>> papers, discussion circles, workshops, etc.)?
>>
>> What facilities will be offered for the conference in terms of
>> physical space?
>> Can you offer separate spaces for different conference activities
>> (registration, paper presentations, workshops, a media lab, social
>> areas,
>> small meeting rooms, etc.)?
>>
>> 4. Travel and Housing: How might participants attend OMV?
>>
>> Considerations:
>>
>> How would people from different areas of the world come to your
>> location? Is
>> it close to an airport and bus station?  Is there transportation from
>> an
>> airport/bus station to the site? If possible, please explain in terms
>> of costs
>> relative to other sites that have hosted OM conferences.
>>
>> What are the visa considerations for international travelers? Please
>> estimate
>> time and costs needed to secure visas for participants.
>>
>> What kind of hotel or housing accommodations are possible in
>> different price
>> ranges? Please specify how much in each price point (US$0 to US$10;
>> US$15-30;
>> US$35-50; over $US50 per night).  How many people can be accommodated
>> in these
>> places?  If possible, also specify the services for different places
>> in terms
>> of food, phone, private bathrooms, hot water and security.  Finally,
>> would
>> anyone at the site be willing host members for lodging?
>>
>> How can participants reserve and pay for housing in advance or on
>> arrival?
>> What currencies or credit cards would be acceptable?  Would
>> communication be
>> arranged via the host or directly with the hotel/hostel and via what
>> media
>> (phone, Internet, etc.)?
>>
>> 5. Meals and Relaxation
>>
>> Considerations:
>>
>> Will anyone at the site provide breakfast, lunch or snack breaks?
>> How much
>> would this add to your proposed costs or the costs of the
>> participants?
>>
>> Are there restaurants in the area within walking distance or a bus
>> ride away?
>> Please describe the variety available and average prices.
>>
>> Are there vegetarian options at the site or in the area?
>>
>> Will potable water be available in the area throughout the day?
>>
>> Do you expect to ´plan any entertainment or leisure during the
>> conference?
>>
>> What kinds of leisure/entertainment options are available for people
>> to plan
>> on their own?
>>
>> 6.  Participant logistics
>>
>> Considerations:
>>
>> How will participants pay in order to attend?  How will registration
>> be
>> handled?  Can the host handle registration in advance or on-site and
>> what
>> forms of payment would be acceptable?
>>
>> Given estimated exchange rates, who might be excluded from
>> participating?
>>
>> How much would participants be expected to pay for on site and what
>> would be
>> the acceptable means of payment (cash, credit, currencies)?
>>
>> What kinds of transportation are available to participants to travel
>> around
>> the site?
>>
>> What kinds of linguistic barriers do you foresee for international
>> travelers?
>>
>> What kind of personal security issues can participants expect?
>>
>> What kinds of medical precautions might participants have to take
>> (such as
>> vaccines or medicines)?
>>
>> Can you provide maps and/or travel guides? In what languages?
>>
>> Can you recommend a travel agency who could accommodate foreign
>> travelers who
>> do not speak the host country´s language?
>>
>> Can you estimate the weather conditions at the location during the
>> proposed
>> conference time?
>>
>> Anything else attendees should be aware of before coming to the
>> conference.
>>
>> Please send responses to Janice Windborne at [log in to unmask]
>> or
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Steering committee 2004
>> OURMedia
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