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From: "Alexis Lantgen" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: The U.S. and Pastor Martin Niemöller
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:36:09 -0500
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<P>Ummmmm, so far exactly which of your civil rights have been suspended?&nbsp; You haven't even been drafted.&nbsp; No offence, but I think that this has a got to be one of the most melodramatic and ridiculus emails to grace this list serve in quite some time.&nbsp; Just because we are liberals, there is no need to panic.&nbsp; And I think perhaps its best to wait until Bush actually does something to violate your rights before you start complaining.&nbsp; Lets keep in mind that we haven't exactly bombed Afghanistan yet, much less started any concentration camps.</P></DIV>
<P>-Alexis<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Joshua Thomason <[log in to unmask]>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: Joshua Thomason <[log in to unmask]>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: [log in to unmask]
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: The U.S. and Pastor Martin Niemöller
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 04:26:29 +0000
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Comrades,
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Well, it looks like we'll be going to war again. We predicted
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;it long
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;ago; suspending civil-rights in the name of national defense to
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;secure our
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;nation's strength over all the nations of the world. Bush calls it
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;"Good
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;versus evil", I call it the arrogant versus the desperate, either
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;way the
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;taking of innocent life will not solve the threat of international
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;terrorism
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;nor will bring any other sollutions to modern problems, but it does
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;serve as
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;a keen excuse to boost the U.S. economy through military Keinsianism
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;with
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;another war.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; Patriotism has somehow become bastardized to somehow mean
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;chauvenism and
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;arrogance in U.S. wealth, support for U.S. hegemony and other
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;superficial
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;qualities of "greatness", not pride in the ideals the U.S. was
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;founded upon
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;and supposedly represents. No matter, the "patriots" are already
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;silencing
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;dissenters and those who protest the killing of more innocent people
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;in
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Afghanistan just like they did during WWI, Korea, Vietnam, and the
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Gulf War.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; We are seeing this already in the revoking of the War Powers Act,
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;suspension of more "inalienable" civil-rights and legislative
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;discussions of
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;legalizing "state sponsored" assination of rival political factions.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Never
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;mind reason, logic, peace or compassion. To the United States, peace
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;means
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;killing the world to be kings of the graveyard.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;One day soon people waving the American flag using slogans like
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;"national
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;defence", "national interest" and "patriotism" will start rounding
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;folks
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;like us up until there's no one left to protest, just like they've
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;been
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;doing around the world for the past 56 or so years, but that will no
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;longer
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;do. Now they've brought it home.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;It reminds me of what Pastor Martin Nielmoller wrote during the
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;fascist's
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;rise to power in Europe before WWII. Only this time they're going
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;after the
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Arabs and Muslims.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; In Germany they first came for the Communists,
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Then they came for the Jews,
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Then they came for the trade unionists,
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Then they came for the Catholics,
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Then they came for me -
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;and by that time no one was left to speak up.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;-Pastor Martin Niemöller
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Will we speak up now before it's too late?
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;God knows I will.
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Josh
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