I think an independent slam microsoft users group is in order. It could be called OMRF-SMUG -----Original Message----- From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:08 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Be careful what you say... http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/even_microsoft_.html Check out the top entry (with photo) and then the one immediately after that. Someone got a lesson in the type of security that M$ actually does consider important.