Man, Is so good to start off the morning with a dose of MS. I don't know what you mean by recognizing the the problem. I got through the first page, only to realize that they were talking about the Gnome and KDE window managers. I don't use Gnome, but my KDE is numbered 1, 2, 3, 4 and the rest of the bar will have a mimimzed icon and it will tell me what application the icon belongs to and which VD (sounds cureable) it's located on. MS on the other hand is at this point is incurable. But I still find that KDE and Gnome are too close to a Windows mentality hence my use of fvwm2, in which I can have as many virtual desktops as I like, and minimized icons that follow me to each VD, and it has legible writing on it to tell me that an application is xterm, gnuplot or whatever, and better still if I maximize it, it becomes maximized immediately in the current VD. Even better still, it use a tenth of the memory used by Aqua, KDE and GNOME and probably a 50th of WinXP, leaving heaps of RAM for me. I'll give MS a big round of applause for at least trying to grasp the concept of simple and free. Oh, and thanks for making my day with a wonderful MS story before I was caffeinated and nicotined enough not to care. Grumble grumble Yas On Feb 26, 2004, at 8:48 AM, Jerrod Howard wrote: > Read the patent app here: > http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser? > Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p= > 1&u=/netahtml/PTO/ > srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='20030189597'.PGNR.&OS=DN/200 > 30189597&RS=DN/20030189597 > > Look at the diagrams for their patent app here: > http://aiw2.uspto.gov/.aiw? > Docid=20030189597&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft1.usp > to.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph- > Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01 > %2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG > %2526 > l%3D50%2526s1%3D'20030189597'.PGNR.%2526OS%3DDN%2F20030189597%2526RS%3D > DN%2F > 20030189597&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=352C9E48F7E1 > > The funny part is to read the 'Brief Descriptions of the > Drawing'...those of > you aith *any* background in Linux/UNIX will immediately see the > problem. > Funny funny stuff. > > > Jerrod Howard > OMRF Imaging Facility > Yasvir Tesiram PostDoctoral Fellow Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation Dept. Free Radical Biology and Ageing 825 NE 13th Street, OKC, OK, 73104 P: (405) 271 7126 F: (405) 271 1795 E: [log in to unmask]