Meta and Felix -- Definitely concur with your opinion that our cherished open MAC marketplace of ideas that should not be closed to dissenting voices. My humble opinion. Sharon Bramlett-Solomon On 12/1/07 12:39 PM, "Felix Gutierrez" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Meta: > Agreed! One Freedom, Many Voices: That's the spirit and intent of the First > Amendment and something we should all defend and protect. It has served us in > the past when many of our forebearers had no other avenues available to them > and we should preserve it in the present for the future. > Felix > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carstarphen, Meta G." <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:59 pm > Subject: Re: Post from Karen Dunlap > To: [log in to unmask] > >> Removal? In the eight years since I created the list-serv and >> administered it, I've never removed anyone unless the person >> requested it. >> >> As I said, everyone has a voice. >> >> >> Meta G. Carstarphen, Ph.D., APR >> Gaylord Endowed Family Professor >> Gaylord College of Journalism & Mass Communication >> Associate Professor >> 395 W. Lindsey Blvd Room 3510C >> Norman, OK 73071 >> PHONE: 405-325-5227 >> ________________________________ >> From: Chris Chow [[log in to unmask]] >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:39 PM >> To: Carstarphen, Meta G. >> Cc: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Post from Karen Dunlap >> >> Dear Professor Carstarphen, >> >> I hope this is not leading to a "request" to remove E.K. Daufin >> from the AEJMAC list because if it is then I would expect a >> delineation and observance of a due process by which a discussant >> is "terminated." I am surprised to learn of Daufin being removed >> from the Poynter-Diversity list what what would appear to be the >> word of one person to another, who apparently, has the "power" or >> "jurisdiction" to censure a "colleague." If that impression is >> wrong, please clarify. I have been struck by some of the >> virulence of Daufin's comments relating to Tompkins and to the >> Christian Science Monitor, which I have regarded with respect. >> Now I am struck by the "short circuitry" of this incident. There >> must be a better, more civilized, more "professional" way to deal >> with, evaluate or judge or respond to personal attacks, than this >> way and maintain free speech, academic freedom and equality of >> opportunity. Christopher Chow >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2007 4:47 PM, Carstarphen, Meta G. >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> Karen Dunlap requested that the following be shared with the >> AEJMAC list and I am doing so. According to the time stamp, she >> made this request about two hours before E.K. Daufin posted her >> comment. In the interest of facilitating a full dialogue, I am >> honoring her request. I have also adapted her subscription to the >> listserv so she can speak directly to the group if she chooses. >> >> Finally, I shared this with her in an e-mail and believe it is >> worth repeating to the entire list: >> >> "I don't moderate discussions on this list by design, but I am >> committed to the proposition that all voices should be heard and >> that, as a group, we are able to resolve issues constructively. >> Thank you for taking the time to participate. I know this group >> and I know this discussion will adopt the tone it should." >> >> With that said, here is Karen's post: >> >> --------------- >> Please post. >> K. Dunlap >> >> From: Karen Dunlap <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:39 -0500 >> To: "E. K. Daufin" >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>, < AEJMAC- >> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> Cc: Al Tompkins <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> Conversation: What Al Thompkins should have read before writing >> his racist Jena 6 columns >> Subject: Re: What Al Thompkins should have read before writing his >> racist Jena 6 columns >> >> To the AEJMAC listserv, >> >> I can't tell you how troubled I've been by the on-going discussion >> of the Jena Six >> reporting and references to Al Tompkins' column. >> >> I could outline a number of problems with the level of conversation >> and the casual treatment of facts. >> >> I'm most troubled by the personal attacks upon those with whom >> there is disagreement, >> and I'm troubled that this comes from educators. >> >> Educators are assigned to teach students how to think critically >> and clearly, >> assess facts dispassionately and maintain civil discourse even >> while disagreeing. >> >> I don't see those qualities in many of the exchanges that I've >> followed. A disagreement >> on facts or interpretation of the facts does not make one party a >> "racist." That is a loaded >> term and we need to use it wisely. >> >> I have conversed with Dr. Daufin on more than one area in which we >> disagree.I now bring my concerns to the MAC listserv. >> >> Most of you know me. In years past I have worked with you in >> AEJMC-MAC, >> at Poynter and elsewhere. We know the battles that we've been through >> and the struggles that we face. I'm appalled that we seem to be >> allowingthe kind of personal attacks that we have condemned in the >> past. >> Yes, Tompkins is a colleague and friend and a person with whom I >> sometimes disagree. >> He sometimes disagrees with me. We do so respectfully. >> >> The exchange below does not represent the character of MAC. It >> does not present an acceptable level of discourse. >> >> I hope this level of exchange ends. >> >> Best wishes, >> Karen >> >> Dr. Karen Brown Dunlap >> President and Managing Director >> Poynter >> 801 Third St. S. >> St. Petersburg, Fl. 33701 >> 888/Poynter (769-6837) >> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/26/07 8:02 PM, "E. K. Daufin" >> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> A woman of integrity and fellow Poynter Diversity Across the >> Curriculum 07 participant sent this more balanced response to the >> !@##$$% racist idiot Craig Franklin, editor of the local Jena >> Times newspaper. This is a link to Howard Witt's response to >> questions about Franklin's Christian Science Monitor piece that is >> so like Al Thomkin's racist Poynter article. It includes a link >> to the response by Alan Bean the pastor who told Witt about the >> case and the director of a civil rights group called Friends of >> Justice. The CSM piece is UGLY and full of revisionist/apologist >> propaganda. >> here is a response i send out whenever i get emails about >> franklin's piece: >> >> Dear xxx: >> >> Thanks for your inquiry. I am familiar with the article Craig >> Franklin, editor of the local Jena Times newspaper, wrote for the >> Christian Science Monitor. Unfortunately, that article was filled >> with revisionist history. >> >> If you care to read a pretty thorough debunking of >> Franklin's claims, I would recommend the following, written by >> Alan Bean, director of a civil rights group called Friends of >> Justice, who was the first outsider to investigate the Jena case. >> It can be found at: >> >> http://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-story-you- >> havent-heard-unless-youve-been-paying-attention/ >> <https://web.cms.wwu.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL="> >> http://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-story-you-havent-heard-u >> nless-youve-been-paying-attention/> < >> http://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/the-story-you-havent-heard-u >> nless-youve-been-paying-attention/> >> >> I'm afraid I have neither the time nor the inclination to engage >> in a point-by-point refutation of Franklin's article. I'll let my >> extensive reporting on the Jena story, available at >> www.chicagotribune.com/jena<http://www.chicagotribune.com/jena>, stand as my >> rebuttal. >> >> But I will give you just one example of where Franklin twists the >> facts. Franklin contends that the nooses were not a threat >> directed at black students. I can tell you that my reporting in >> Jena over the last six months reveals otherwise. >> >> Fact: The principal at Jena High School did not regard the nooses >> as a harmless incident. He recommended that the three white >> students who hung the nooses be permanently expelled from school. >> That recommendation was overridden, however, by the school >> superintendent, who announced that the nooses were just a youthful >> prank. Soon afterward, the principal was transferred to a >> different job in the school district central office. >> >> Fact: LaSalle Parish District Attorney Reed Walters-the same man >> who is prosecuting the Jena 6 teenagers for the beating of Justin >> Barker-did not believe the nooses were an innocent prank. >> >> "This was an awful act," Walters told reporters on the day before >> the Sept. 20 civil rights march through Jena. "It was not a prank >> but a vicious and crude statement.... The people who did it should >> be ashamed of themselves and mortified at the havoc they have >> unleashed on this community." >> >> Walters added, however, that he could find no Louisiana statute >> that was violated by the youths who hung the nooses, so he did not >> charge them with any crime. >> >> Fact: The U.S. attorney for the Western District of >> Louisiana, Donald Washington, declared that the hanging of the >> nooses constituted a hate crime, although he declined to prosecute >> the students because of their ages. >> >> "Yes, hanging a noose under these circumstances is a >> hate crime," Washington testified before the House Judiciary >> Committee in Washington last month. "If these acts had been >> committed by others who were not juveniles, this would have been a >> federal hate crime, and we would have moved forward." >> >> hope this answers your questions. good luck with your seminar. >> >> regards, >> >> howard witt >> >> >> >> Meta G. 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